Lessons Learned from a Lifetime in Protection | Dale June

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Today we are tremendously honored, to meet Dale June

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He served at the secret service under four presidents.

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He has a master's in criminal justice and is currently an educator teaching at the college and university level.

Dale June: 00:00:13

see people on Facebook criticizing and one thing and another, but unless they are actually in that situation or have experienced that situation, How can they legitimately criticize somebody?

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You do not know what is going to happen, how you're going to react until it actually happens.

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Becoming an educator is often the dream of many EP colleagues in their later years, they're experienced years, or, sometimes even at the beginning of their career, they have something to share with the world.

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But what sort of skills are involved?

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What sort of experience translates well into.

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Books into podcasts, into lectures.

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I think everybody at some stage wants to give back to the community.

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And today we are tremendously honored, to meet Dale June one of the older generation of EP professionals.

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, I'm here with Shaun West and together we're going to look into this because, Dale has an illustrious career.

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Hasn't he w we're really connected.

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Yeah.

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Still, as you said, as you're an older guy, he absolutely ooze his experience as formerly of the us secret service.

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He served there 1968 years to 1980 and he served on the protective.

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Full presidents.

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There's not many people who can see that as well as serving on them details.

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He's said with other law enforcement agencies and he's has a huge experience in the private sector.

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So it certainly makes them an authority on the matter.

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I can't wait to hear from him lessons he's learned from back in the day.

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It'll be passed down on that.

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I'm sure I'll still relevant to the protectors of today.

Phelim: 00:02:12

Really relevant you say, and as like what habits he's coming up with a fourth in addition to the introduction to executive protection which, different Elijah is also contributing to you three additions already.

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So.

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Why do a fourth?

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I think we're going to learn that 65% is, new material.

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This is, this is awesome.

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Obviously Dale is extremely experienced, but he's an extremely experienced educator.

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Why is this then important?

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Because if I was an EP professional, I'd say this is something I'm going to do later in life.

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Or why should I think about it now becoming an educator.

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I think when you get older in the close protection industry, not everyone can be a bodyguard when they're

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50, 60 year old, because not everyone.

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Carries that the frame that built you may age people age differently.

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Some people can look after themselves physically or blessed with their genes.

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Some people not.

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So I think if you've have a good experience in the close protection sector and you're older guy, why not pass on the lessons?

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You've learned down to the up and coming people in the industry of today.

Phelim: 00:03:27

Absolutely.

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And that is a legacy and we're going to be hearing from Dale, June and Elijah Shaw.

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In fact, at both, obviously contributing to this fourth edition of executive protection of the book.

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And I hope we're going to draw a lot of that out because a lot of people think you know, I'm going to be fit and healthy for sure.

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But at the end of the day, you're gonna reach a stage where you want to give back.

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And that giving back could be in the written form.

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Maybe audio may be lectures, may be coaching.

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And, I think it's something for everybody to aim for.

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Let's hear it for Dale, June and the topic of becoming an educator.

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Transitioning to become an educator for executive protection.

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It's something that a lot of people dream of doing.

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You accumulate a lifetime of experience and you want to give back, you want to teach, you want to write books.

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So we are very pleased, honored to be.

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Welcoming Dale L June Dale is a former military law enforcement and member of United secret service.

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He served at the secret service under four presidents.

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He has a master's in criminal justice and is currently an educator teaching

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at the college and university level.

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Dale has written over 15 books, including

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the just released fourth edition to introduction to executive protection.

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I'm here with Elijah Shaw and together we're exploring this education and EP synergy.

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Dale, it's supposed to have you, how are you doing?

Dale June: 00:05:20

I'm going just fine.

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Thank you.

Dale June: 00:05:22

it's, pleasure to be here.

Phelim: 00:05:24

well?

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It's it's it's really an honor to have you.

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And what we'd like to do with the Circuit magazine podcast, we do it.

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And we want to explore in this podcast, how someone who has been operational can become an educator because it's all in good are saying people can go on a course.

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So that's, being educated, but you have made that great transition to teaching.

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And you've written as we said, over 15 books.

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So we have three quick fire questions and I hope I hope this works in this format as well.

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What do you think, is wrong with the industry at the moment?

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Why are more people not becoming educators of what they've committed their life to learning about?

Dale June: 00:06:11

Ooh that's, that's really a tough question.

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It's too quiet every night, it's, to do with motivation and quite what you really enjoy and I, I found when I started teaching I found that I liked it because of the actually several things.

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It wasn't for the money, believe me.

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I never do anything just for the money.

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But I enjoyed it because it gave me an audience to tell all of, my very famous, jokes and nobody laughs at, but I, I have a captured audience and the, the biggest thing though, is.

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I have an advantage as I was explaining to someone the day that say for example, I have 10 students and I have them write a research paper.

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I read every in every one.

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So therefore I have an advantage of learning from them.

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I learned write one paper, I read 10.

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And so therefore.

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What the research, they have done their opinions.

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And this is thing I require that they write with their opinions, most teachers don't and I for their opinions and their free thoughts because I see.

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we're going to make progress just by doing the same old things, the same old way.

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We're never going to make progress.

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People do have new ideas and they should be able to express them.

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And that's what I like.

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And of course also it gives me the advantage of paying back.

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I had a very, very excellent mentor when I was going to college.

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and quite often I actually hear his word.

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Coming from my mouth in pencil.

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I hope that I can pass that along to new generations coming up.

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And so why do you think that you've been so successful as an educator?

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And what, where does this passion come from?

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Cause a lot of people have a long illustrious career and then they finish or then they're going to the private sector.

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Why you, and why education?

Dale June: 00:08:26

Again, it was something that.

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First off I think and I tell people we are what we are.

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We do what we are.

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Okay.

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Even when little kids asked me, say, I want to be this, I want to be this.

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Can I say, do what you are You are going to find out what you are.

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It will come naturally to you don't have to spend it.

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The you know, hours or days and days, and months and years becoming something no amount of training, whatever, make me a plumber and electrician, a mechanic, all of these things, because I don't have a natural ability for, you have to find what you have a natural ability.

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For first off, I went into police work.

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I knew I was going to be a police officer when I was just a little kid.

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I knew.

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That was what I aimed for because I could feel it to school college, some of my log books, I've never even been opened to this day because it came to me naturally.

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So, when I started teaching, it was exactly the same way I felt comfortable in front of an audience.

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And so what then, because that they're feeling comfortable in front of an audience, not everyone is right.

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Not everyone is.

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And especially the quiet

Elijah: 00:09:46

Sure.

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They're, they're indoctrinated with being the quiet professional.

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What'd you tell the uninitiated in educating because many people will have seen courses out there that they thought

Elijah: 00:10:00

Okay.

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they felt were not good.

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We've all seen them and w we wonder how it could be better.

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So, so how can today's professional move into becoming an educator effectively?

Dale June: 00:10:16

Again, each person has to find their own style and they have to find what you're comfortable doing.

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And it took me a little while because on your own one to two training or anything else like that I actually learned on my own, but I had to find the right niche.

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And what I finally came up with, I actually have taught in a lot of areas.

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I had no experience in.

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Okay.

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But what I have done in those cases is that I use textbook, but I read it.

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And go through it myself and I highlight certain material.

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And then highlight when I'm teaching, especially online, when I'm teaching a course, the students can see my book also.

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and so they can see what's highlighted.

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I will read.

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One or two sentences, and then I will explain it the way that it, the way that I interpret it, based on all of the things that I have learned in my experience and everything else.

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And it seems to.

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But, and I think that's one of the keys there, which is the experience you bring to a subject, your life experiences also tie in to whatever the subject matter is.

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So things are subject to interpretation.

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You know, you can see.

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A topic presented the same topic by two different speakers and take something different out So one might be around arousing success and the other might be a dud, but a lot of that comes from what they bring in terms of the presentation, in terms of their their grasp of the subject matter and their passion for this.

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Exactly.

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Of course I also emphasize that just because it's written in, a book or just because it's set like a voice of authority, is it right?

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Is it true?

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And so I actually, give the an opportunity to not only listen to me and read what's in the book, but to think for themselves and interpret it for themselves.

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So even after I finished interpreted, I asked him, what did you learn today's class and the emphasis?

Dale June: 00:12:42

Yeah, go ahead.

Elijah: 00:12:43

No, I was going to say, in go back to the first book of yours that I read.

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Introduction to executive protection, the first edition.

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And you had a whole chapter.

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I believe that was the first edition on critical I know it, I know it made its way to the later additions, but I remember cause you would think if someone's doing an executive protection book, then the entire book is going to be filled with all of the sizzle stuff.

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The, the motorcades and covered evacuation drills nuts and bolts.

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the voting, such a big piece of real estate to critical thinking, I

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thought was okay, maybe this is important to the field as well, because this will, this will keep you in in the craft.

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This will keep you in the end.

Dale June: 00:13:32

Exactly.

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And, then that was my thing.

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It started way back.

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Actually.

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I think when I was with just before I started writing the book, I actually was just sitting at the computer one day and just just playing around in the thought came to me.

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What is critical thinking.

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And so I just started, and that's why I came up with all of those questions.

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I think I have something like 51 questions about critical thinking.

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And as you think those things through and Basically invented That at the time.

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Yeah.

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Their textbooks and what they not.

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But, but then they go into philosophy and whatever else, but this is the nitty gritty, the way that I see.

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And I believe that the greatest tool.

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Or the greatest weapon, however you want to use it.

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is the brain.

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So why not use it and why not use all of your tools of thinking?

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in fact, that's another aspect I have is the tools of thinking.

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I came up with about 21 different things Of using your tools to snacking.

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Why do we think, what do we think?

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How do we communicate?

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Why do we communicate?

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and you can't have any relationship at all.

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No kind of relationship without communicating.

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and you know, so when you start looking at the tools of thinking, plus the critical thinking aspect, hopefully it will put you into a whole new mindset.

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So this is, this is my thinking along these lines.

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And of course, I also like to bring to executive protection.

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The fact that it has to evolve, we can't keep doing the same things and it has evolved over the years, but how do you get that out?

Dale June: 00:15:18

You know, as people get new ideas you know I see people on Facebook criticizing and one thing and another, but unless they are actually in that situation or have experienced that situation, How can they legitimately criticize somebody?

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You do not know what is going to happen, how you're going to react until it actually happens.

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And so in that scenario, basically I play what I call.

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What if a, what if, and this is really fun.

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It's usually two people, but one person can plan.

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In fact, when I was a police officer, this is what my partner and I used to do in the downtime.

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We would create a scenario.

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And then we would ask a startup.

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what if then we would connect to S to make a scenario and the person other person had three minutes to solve it, and then you would discuss it.

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And then when those events happened, which they would happen, if you made a legitimate scenario, you don't have to stop and think about it.

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Your mind has already solved it.

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So you're actually solving problems in advance.

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This is the advantage of education.

Phelim: 00:16:33

And Dale that's very, hands-on, that's very beneficial.

Phelim: 00:16:37

That is exactly what belongs in a an introduction to executive protection as a, as a handbook.

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Isn't it.

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that here in the UK, we have our SIA qualifications, which is a baseline.

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Of course, people say it's absolutely not enough, whatever.

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states, there's lots of varying and competing ideas and competing authorities and competing associations, , and schools.

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How do you cut through the noise to come up with a fourth edition?

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Have you

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made a consensus or is, is one of the things you are trying to do to create a consensus what effective EP looks like.

Dale June: 00:17:20

Actually, one of the criteria is as I said, I've got a a whole chapter on strike through education.

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And I actually, came up with several subjects, for, for, for learning, such as psychology, sociology, history a second language.

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And, and you the actually it's a whole criteria that I made and the more.

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Executive protection operative.

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Learns in these areas, he can then conduct business in several areas.

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He can have a conversation with the highest ranking CEO, or he can also then have a discussion with the janitor if it comes To that And we train for the,

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Eventually things will happen, but we learned this as part of the, critical thinking.

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It's also part of the, what if is that we educate for the improbable happening so that we can adjust to it as, as, as, yeah.

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so it's preparing for the unprepared or something that you haven't seen before.

Phelim: 00:18:38

Okay.

Dale June: 00:18:38

Whoever would have imagined airplanes being used as bombs.

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For example, whoever would have thought of that, but have to we have to think of all the possibilities and we just can't write them off and say this, hasn't happened before and it's never going to happen again.

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But what is And then You have a scenario for it or can have reference to it.

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You can see precedent then it will help you in preparing for such an incident.

Elijah: 00:19:11

And I think you make a great point because if something I go back to when I talk to people is too often, these days,

Elijah: 00:19:20

I believe.

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Some people think we have to recreate the wheel that you know, where we're inventing close protection in 2021, when there is a long line that goes back in terms of best practices and the things that worked and the things that didn't work, case studies, all of these things.

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And that's why it's important.

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To make sure that we digest and consume this information in such a way that we can then pull on those experiences.

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So when you say, who would have Matt have imagined this?

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None of this happened we got to make sure at the risk of sounding cliche, we have to make sure that we don't forget.

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So we have to look at the causes of this, the after action report on this and then again developed some processes and procedures, so that a thing like that doesn't happen again.

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and one of my peeves is the fact that protectors, particularly those.

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starting out in the industry think that, Hey

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You know, I watched a YouTube video or I, I saw a few Facebook posts and now I can do this without having any of the foundation, the history, like again, the education to back that up.

Dale June: 00:20:45

Exactly.

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And also going beyond that, how do you recognize a sociopath?

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You may have a protectee who's a sociopath actually criminals.

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So, sociopathology is only a very small number.

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Most of your CEOs and celebrities or whatever they are as Psychopath.

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You know, with a tight paint personality and believing that they are the best in the world at what they are.

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So that, but you also have recognizing a sociopath.

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There is a difference and understanding those because of sociopath is a very dangerous person.

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Okay.

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Especially if it's a a paranoid sociopath, for example or very simple, a a depressed person.

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And most people wouldn't think a depressed person is dangerous.

Dale June: 00:21:44

I do because the.

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The line between being depressed, wild and, weepy or whatever it may be very aggressive.

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It happens so quickly, especially if they're bipolar, from the depressed state to the manic state and the manic Is they come out of that.

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they are anger.

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go from one state to another in just the words that you're saying.

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So you have to be very cautious when you're dealing with

Phelim: 00:22:24

So, so, so Dale, that actually ties in nicely to the book because in the book you talk about demons and dragons.

Phelim: 00:22:31

Is is that connected?

Phelim: 00:22:33

What are those?

Dale June: 00:22:35

Actually the demons are what I anxiety dreams.

Dale June: 00:22:42

Okay.

Dale June: 00:22:43

And they're like I say in a book it's like standing right in the middle of a tornado.

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Because there is everything going wrong.

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you end up, you're actually fighting in your bed, you're asleep, but you're fighting, you're twisting, you're turning and all of these.

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And it's the things that could go wrong.

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and the things that perhaps have gone wrong.

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and I was interviewing a person the other day.

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And we were talking about fears, but this is where fear comes in into your dreams.

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And this is the, again, the anxiety, but these are the demons that things that have haunted you from the mistakes that you've made.

Dale June: 00:23:23

Those are the demons,

Phelim: 00:23:24

Okay.

Dale June: 00:23:24

No, those, those are the dragons.

Dale June: 00:23:26

I'm sorry.

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The demons are the

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ones that cause you to wake up in sweat or sends that, are very dangerous.

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And when I was interviewing this person the other day, I was asking him,

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it's amazing.

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He's had no experience in this field at all, no experience at all, but we were talking about executive protection and I asked him, what are you afraid of?

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He said, I am afraid that I would fail.

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And that is your demon

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afraid that You didn't do all that you could have done to protect the fraternity?

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Fear of failure.

Phelim: 00:24:10

Can educate.

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People to counter act, those impulses and how, you let's say

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someone is coming to their and the end of their career and they want to become an educator.

Phelim: 00:24:23

What are they going to have to do to help people with that challenge?

Dale June: 00:24:28

One of those things is to basically relax.

Dale June: 00:24:32

Okay.

Dale June: 00:24:32

And, actually work on your stress.

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They talk about exercise, et cetera, and things like this and meditation is good.

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All of these things help, but what, you have to do is look at it and say, why am I afraid of it?

Phelim: 00:24:50

Okay.

Dale June: 00:24:51

Why, what have I done that would make me feel that I was a failure and is what mistakes have I done in the past?

Dale June: 00:24:58

Can I correct them for the future?

Dale June: 00:25:01

And as I say, I believe relaxation.

Dale June: 00:25:04

Sometimes people think of that I am so relaxed that they actually come and check my pulse.

Dale June: 00:25:09

Yeah.

Elijah: 00:25:13

So if you, if you have, you you've, you've had Your career trajectory, you've got got somebody, a protector who's been in the business for 15 years, 20 years, and now they're transitioning out and I've talked to individuals.

Elijah: 00:25:33

There's a fear there that they don't know what else they can do.

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They've got a certain skill set.

Elijah: 00:25:40

Talent any been afforded opportunities that, maybe quote unquote normal people don't have, you, you got to ride in a private jet, you've got to visit some exotic islands or you've got to, be in the first row of the inauguration, but now you're coming out of that career path.

Elijah: 00:25:59

And then the thought is, what do I do next?

Elijah: 00:26:02

So how do you transition,

Elijah: 00:26:04

what, what stops you from.

Elijah: 00:26:08

No having those regrets or again, having that fear of what's around the next corner, because the unknown is difficult for the type A personalities that are in the protection field, because we're so used to being in control.

Dale June: 00:26:21

Well, actually, i, can really relate to that because what I really hung up by my commission, but in my side, I would actually wake up in the middle of the night and feel that my right arm was missing.

Dale June: 00:26:37

It would actually have actually had to look at, because all of these years I kept doing that thing.

Dale June: 00:26:44

You're checking to make sure that the gun was still there, and all of this and checking the.

Dale June: 00:26:48

book and things like that.

Dale June: 00:26:49

And so it really felt and I would do this, but then when I knew that it was for real and this is what I recommend to people is to take a self assessment and ask your spouse, ask yourself what are my strengths?

Dale June: 00:27:02

And write them down and what are my weaknesses and when do I know and what can I do?

Dale June: 00:27:08

And when do I feel like I enjoy?

Dale June: 00:27:10

And, I have a hobby that can be become your new occupation.

Dale June: 00:27:16

But, but you have to, in fact, I think in the back of the book, I have a an inventory sheet to ask if you're going to go into executive protection.

Dale June: 00:27:26

put together a similar one of what you're going to do after and what you enjoy doing,

Elijah: 00:27:33

sure.

Elijah: 00:27:34

Yeah.

Elijah: 00:27:35

Your exit

Dale June: 00:27:36

exactly.

Dale June: 00:27:37

And it does happen.

Dale June: 00:27:39

A lot of people get out of the business.

Dale June: 00:27:41

They retire from law enforcement and within six months they commercialize.

Dale June: 00:27:45

No, they kill themselves because they can't find anything that they enjoy.

Dale June: 00:27:52

You, you have to find that one niche and what you do is the best.

Dale June: 00:27:57

I was not a writer.

Dale June: 00:28:00

I actually taught myself to do it I didn't know.

Dale June: 00:28:03

I could write until I was working on my master's degree and I wrote a very extensive paper called volvulus murder.

Dale June: 00:28:13

And actually a about the psychological approach to serial killers.

Dale June: 00:28:22

But before there was a term serial killers, but.

Dale June: 00:28:27

But I did, but I did the research.

Dale June: 00:28:31

And basically if I, I had an opportunity to have it printed in the New York times, but I was.

Dale June: 00:28:40

Reluctant.

Dale June: 00:28:41

I was still working at the white house and I said, no, don't do it.

Dale June: 00:28:45

If I had, I would have been competing in authority in serial killings, because nothing had been done in that area before.

Elijah: 00:28:54

W I've known you, I've known you for years, and this is a little tidbit here.

Elijah: 00:28:58

So this is a circuit podcast first.

Elijah: 00:29:01

Well, well, Thank you much for your time.

Elijah: 00:29:07

I I want to make sure that we mentioned the fact that you do have a new book out that book is introduction to executive protection.

Elijah: 00:29:17

It's the fourth edition of the.

Elijah: 00:29:19

Brand new, but it has, I think is what we say.

Elijah: 00:29:22

It's 60, 70% new material.

Dale June: 00:29:24

Yes.

Dale June: 00:29:25

Yes.

Dale June: 00:29:26

What what I did was I actually, when I started and I wrote about this, the, book, I started out just doing it like everybody else does is just renumbering the pages, et cetera, et cetera.

Dale June: 00:29:39

But then I realized that and I had a lot of encouragement to do this.

Dale June: 00:29:45

I actually got it.

Dale June: 00:29:46

The third edition and threw out so much of it that I did come in with about 70% new material and made it a whole new

Phelim: 00:29:59

Okay.

Dale June: 00:30:00

basically.

Dale June: 00:30:01

And I only retained the parts that were the most in like, like the chapter of the executive protection from the protectees point of view.

Dale June: 00:30:14

That I've never seen anywhere else.

Dale June: 00:30:18

Okay.

Dale June: 00:30:18

This lady that that wrote a chapter she didn't even know how to find in protector until you get all the research and everything else.

Dale June: 00:30:29

And so she put that whole, that is what I retained in the book.

Dale June: 00:30:34

Things like that but, 70 to or 65 to 70% is new material.

Elijah: 00:30:39

Nice.

Elijah: 00:30:41

It's introduction to executive protection.

Elijah: 00:30:44

The fourth edition by Dale L June with a couple of small contributions by me some small ones is in stores.

Elijah: 00:30:52

Now you can get it on Amazon available in ebook, and there's even some talk that we're having about an audio book down the road.

Elijah: 00:31:00

So thank you very much there.

Elijah: 00:31:01

We appreciate it.

Phelim: 00:31:03

Very much, Dale.

Dale June: 00:31:04

Okay.

Phelim: 00:31:04

yeah it's awesome to have you, on, I think we've learned

Phelim: 00:31:07

lots of new things about you, but.

Phelim: 00:31:09

New things to to, to motivate the industry.

Dale June: 00:31:13

Well, thank you so much again the whole, world's a stage and I'm just an actor in it.

Elijah: 00:31:21

good stuff, brother.

Phelim: 00:31:22

Thank you very much now.

Dale June: 00:31:23

Thank you.

Dale June: 00:31:24

Take care.

Dale June: 00:31:25

Stay safe.

Phelim: 00:31:29

Okay.

Shaun: 00:31:34

Okay.

Phelim: 00:31:35

Dale, June and the fourth edition of

Phelim: 00:31:39

an introduction to executive protection.

Phelim: 00:31:41

What a combination.

Phelim: 00:31:42

I real practitioner, it's been a fantastic journey to here.

Phelim: 00:31:47

The emergence of this new addition, 65% new material.

Phelim: 00:31:52

What have you taken away from today?

Shaun: 00:31:55

I think

Phelim: 00:31:55

Okay.

Shaun: 00:31:56

here and from Elijah and Dale two masters as of their craft.

Shaun: 00:32:01

And it's interesting that he had a deal.

Shaun: 00:32:02

He hasn't ventured outside for two years due to COVID and other things.

Shaun: 00:32:08

But out of that, what a positive thing to come out of it, a fourth edition of his book.

Shaun: 00:32:14

Which is, I'm sure it's a labor of love and he's also had Elijah on there helping bring it back up to date.

Shaun: 00:32:20

So yeah, no.

Shaun: 00:32:20

Great to hear from them both.

Shaun: 00:32:23

It's always good to hear from people who can talk from experience you have a lot of people who get into educating and

Shaun: 00:32:29

read a book, then go and teach where, when you listen to these guys, they're talking from, they've been there, they've done that.

Shaun: 00:32:36

And they can talk from real world experience.

Phelim: 00:32:39

Absolutely right.

Phelim: 00:32:41

And we shouldn't really say, oh, this educator is better than that educator but I'm sure we could all agree.

Phelim: 00:32:48

Someone that's actually got some experience is much better than someone.

Phelim: 00:32:51

Synthesize someone else's books,

Shaun: 00:32:54

Okay.

Phelim: 00:32:54

which occasionally happens.

Phelim: 00:32:57

And Dale and Elijah, they both have the experience.

Phelim: 00:33:01

Do you think about the topic of becoming an educator?

Phelim: 00:33:05

W we, we've had a look recently with Samantha Newberry and it's going into education and doing some academia, but do you think that every EP professional has this idea in mind at a certain stage in my career, I'm going to.

Shaun: 00:33:21

I don't know.

Shaun: 00:33:21

It's like any other

Shaun: 00:33:24

career, any other profession, you have sporting professionals who maybe a fantastic player.

Shaun: 00:33:30

Some of them going to coach, some of them go on.

Shaun: 00:33:33

No call the games, call score.

Shaun: 00:33:35

Everyone has a different idea of what they're going to do.

Shaun: 00:33:37

And I think those we've got a lot of experience may want to go into and passing the lessons they've learned on to others, which I think is great.

Shaun: 00:33:47

Some people may go on to management level jobs, consultancy, and some people may just look for a complete break from the industry and do something.

Shaun: 00:33:55

but

Phelim: 00:33:56

Okay.

Shaun: 00:33:56

educator, I think is a very interesting path and it gives you a good purpose to get up in the morning, passing on little nuggets of wisdom and stories, and it keeps you in the game with like-minded professionals.

Shaun: 00:34:08

So yeah, something that's of interest to many patients.

Phelim: 00:34:14

Indeed.

Phelim: 00:34:14

And about getting in the game with like-minded professionals you know, Hey, we've said it before.

Phelim: 00:34:20

Thank you for being very engaged on the BBA connect app and the protector app.

Phelim: 00:34:25

A few topics have been circulating, especially around the drawdown.

Phelim: 00:34:31

That's quite fresh.

Phelim: 00:34:31

And remember, as we said, last time, we do have colleagues actually.

Phelim: 00:34:36

Or recently there.

Phelim: 00:34:38

You know, it's it's very comment and you know, that way.

Phelim: 00:34:45

What I think interesting is to, especially from a topic perspective is how industry will progress.

Phelim: 00:34:54

And find more work.

Phelim: 00:34:56

the question of whether the drawdown down means more work or whether it means absolutely less work.

Phelim: 00:35:01

And as we say from last week, people will venture into academia then tying it to this week, whether people are going to become educators, because now is that downtime now is that sweet spot.

Phelim: 00:35:14

I know it's a lot of conjecture and but I thought something that we might as a community focus on in, in, in the coming.

Phelim: 00:35:23

So I think this is a fantastic look, obviously Dale Jr.

Phelim: 00:35:26

Is a legend.

Phelim: 00:35:27

And thank you very much to Dale and Elijah for you know, exposing this topic and bringing us bang up to date.

Phelim: 00:35:35

We're very much looking forward to the fourth edition of the book we are as always looking for more contributors to the circuit magazine, your story.

Phelim: 00:35:45

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Phelim: 00:35:46

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Phelim: 00:35:52

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Phelim: 00:36:02

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